Posted by page turner on November 22, 19100 at 09:37:10:
In Reply to: hello everyone posted by gavin mcweiner on May 03, 19100 at 23:24:05:
hi; i'm not sure marx will ever go out of style, but if you're refering to stalinism and the collapse of communism in the former soviet union, then i'd like to add that the "models" adhered to by various pro-marxists -- anti-bolsheviks included -- bare little to no relationship to marxist text or theory. i can't even relate soviet communism to marx's notion of "socialism." for me, the "communist manifesto" very clearly points out the difference between "use" and "exchange" value and the istic nature of the latter. marx saw that there was and IS a very crucial difference in terms of "work" and "labor" and that human-being were and would become the product rather than the producer on the embly-line (nike, etc.). what the so-called communists did was seize upon, or focus upon (extrapolate) that section of marxist theory that dealt with the individual abdication of power for the greater good (inverse-federalism). how anyone who has read marx can look at the state of soviet russia as a model is beyond me, but, of course, they do...